Thoughts on Left criticism of Obama:
Thoughts on Left criticism of Obama:
Thoughts on Left criticism of Obama:
Thoughts on Left criticism of Obama:
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I strongly agree that the focus has to be on mobilizing the grassroots, especially those sectors which voted for Obama and the Democrats in 2008 and stayed home in 2010: Youth, minorities, and low income workers. This, and organized labor, is where our focus should always be. If these sectors are not fully mobilized for action, the whole political discourse moves to the right, and we are thrown onto a defensive posture, as we are now. If they are mobilized, we can fight for things that go well beyond what the Democratic Party leadership finds convenient to stress. But we can not mobilize these marginalized sectors simply by exorting them to vote because the Republicans are so bad. They will move when they see we are fighting for specific improvements in their conditions.
I do not agree that when the Republicans do something evil, it is because of their reactionary ideology and their connections to international monopoly capital, but when the Democrats do something evil, it is because objective conditions force them to do so or, in effect, that the Republican devils make them do it, so it's unfair for the left to criticize them.
The Democratic Party is a very heterogeneous and heterodox big tent, in which many sectors have their own connections to international monopoly capital, and their own ideology which is certainly not leftist. For every Dennis Kucinich, Barbara Lee or Raul Grijalva, who would be on the left of any of the social democratic parties in Europe, there are Heath Schulers, Rahm Emmanuels and their ilk in the Blue Dog Coalition or the New Democrat group. And this is not all dictated by the political demographics of specific states and congressional districts. There are some districts that are just so ideologically backward that only right-wing Democrats could even hope to win an election there, but there are many others that contain un-mobilized population sectors--youth, minorities, low income workers, etc--which would vote in greater numbers for a Democrat who took more progressive positions than they would for a Blue Dog. The work has to be done at the grassroots level to determine what the situation is in any given district.
Finally Democratic Party figures are not fragile and are not going to fall apart emotionally if they receive pressure from the left. But if they don't receive that pressure, they will only be receiving pressure from the right, and what will happen then?
Posted by Emile Schepers, 12/05/2010 1:53pm (14 years ago)
Anytime a story spends more than half it's space simply setting up their belief about what the landscape is - as you did - i find they have no solutions and little to say.
This is the case with your story.
Your set up is incorrect.
Your conclusions totally based on your false setup.
Thus your conclusions are irrelevant to the reality
The reality is (and notice my lack or setup) Obama is a conservative Republican who most in the Democratic party assumed would be a liberal. Once you recognize the fact he is a conservative republican no excuses need to be made for his actions. Furthermore his actions suddenly all fit the reality without a long falsifying setup or incredibily twisted and inconsistent varying logic about why he did each individual thing he did.
This is the best test of a truth.
It amazes me to hear masses of people say Republican politicians are smart enough to fool masses of naive Republican voters about what they really want to do when they get elected.
Yet none of those same people are willing to accept the possibility that a Democrat presidential candidate could have done the same thing to them. People needto realize they elected a black Reagan.
If they didn't know it before they surely should have figured it out when Obama proposed the equivalent of the Reagan pay freeze for Air Traffic Controllers. Except Obama out did Reagan by proposing freezing the pay of ALL federal employees.
There could be no more distinctive and incorrect conservative republican solution to a depression/recession than the freezing of worker pay.
Vivzizi
Posted by vivzizi, 12/03/2010 1:18pm (14 years ago)
After a number of years as an IWW member and some hard study I have arrived at some conclusions. There is no redeming value to voting for this or that party. For me it was painful to watch Obama supporters gush forth in their messianic fervor about "change," "hope and change", and "Yes we can" etc. What exactly was to be changed? Everybody had their opinion but where we needed to hear concrete policy decisions it was strangly quiet. Or was it an acceptance of the lesser of two evils approach i.e., anyone but another republican?
Unfortunitly, the game is set up and controlled by a socio/economic class that certainly doesn't represent me nor, I would guess, the vast majority of Americans. The game does however represent the Bush's, Gore's, Fortune 500 crowd to name just a few. I absolutly agree with the authors take on the importance of local situations. There we can make tangible and immediate difference whether its at a local work place or town meeting.
Posted by , 12/03/2010 12:39pm (14 years ago)
I was just trying to make a point. Nowhere did I say that everyone in this country is fascist; although, a strong case can be made that the political climate of the U.S. and especially the policies of the Corporate State and its elite handlers can be considered fascist or something closely resembling fascism. Do a web search on "14 points of fascism" and you will see what I mean. Also, nowhere did I suggest that anyone should engage in violence.
Posted by Joseph Waters, 12/01/2010 7:22pm (14 years ago)
@Ron I think @Joseph gave a recipe for suicide bombing politics.
Posted by Lulu, 12/01/2010 4:09pm (14 years ago)
@Joseph Nice sloganeering, but not everybody is a fascist and not everything is about masculinist fight against fascism. Cut and dried politics like that are far too narrow in this political terrain.
Posted by Ron P., 12/01/2010 4:05pm (14 years ago)
The democrats simply cannot give us (Leftists) what we want. For one thing, they don't want to. Why should they? And why would we want to compromise with scum like that? As a Spanish Republic general said during the Spanish Civil War: "You don't fight fascists because you might win, you fight fascists because they are fascists." Decide what your values are and stick to them. Don't be tempted to engage in Machiavellian machinations and become corrupted. There are many actions that can be taken to help create a revolutionary moment, but each individual has to decide how much risk they are willing to take on. Sometimes, simply to do no evil is enough.
Posted by Joseph Waters, 12/01/2010 3:01pm (14 years ago)
@Lydia
You've mentioned a long list of discontent with the Dems, which I don't dispute, but you say it boils down to thing: unemployment and taxes.
What along the way caused you to be willing to drop the long list in favor of these two things. I'm not trying to be snide; I really want to know.
My guess, off hand, is that you understand questions of tactics and winning what is possible in the midst of major contradictions – which I say are always with us unless your willing to abandon real politics altogether and pretend completely going off in an isolated direction is a meaningful choice.
If the Dems do manage to overcome Republican filibusters on the taxes and unemployment issue, likely they will have to do so at the expense of some other really important issues, principled ones. So which ones currently pending in Congress are you willing to have them give up?
This is the problem. When we talk about politics on the level of Congress, Presidents, legislation, laws, real public policy, some leftists don't want to get dirty – and that is why pure leftism and the so-called political parties (and kooky listservs) that advocate it will never have any real power, don't understand power, and don't understand politics. And that is their privilege.
Posted by Joel Wendland, 12/01/2010 12:43pm (14 years ago)
@Joel Wendland
Who said anything about "a more progressive agenda"? Depending on what that phrase really means, I might not even want that myself.
I'm saying that the working class hasn't got its rightful place in what the author is proposing, and that his "liberal corporate interests" and intellectuals would, in reality, be running the regime.
So, none for me.
Posted by Trailer Trash, 12/01/2010 9:59am (14 years ago)
The idea that we are supposed to blindly support President Obama and the democratic Party NO MATTER WHAT THEY ACTUALLY DO has grown tiresome beyond endurance.
After the 2008, the Democratic Party had EVERYTHING they had told us throughtout the Bush-Cheney years that they HAD to have in order to be effective on any issue: Democrats controlled Congress & had the White House. They also had DISASTERS that they could blame on the republcians from 2 failed wars, the housing foreclosures & jobs crisis. THE COUNTRY WAS MROE READY FOR A PROGRESSIVE DIRECTION THAN IT HAD BEEN IN 30 YEARS.
What did they do? HALF nmeasures on stimulus, more giveaways to banks WITH NO STRINGS ATTACHED, the CONTINUATION of all Bush era polcies form the wars to expanding Spy State, Gitmo, OFFSHORE DRILLLING BAN LIFTED RIGHT BEFOER BP DISASTER;the list is ENDLESS.
Yet, John case tells left critics to shut up and FORGET THESE FACTS. It's a variation on the theme we've gotten from Democratic Party hacks & creeps like rahm Emanuel: "It's better than nothing!" they shout at us.
Or that prerrential favorite"Thikhow bad it would be under the Republicans!"
Well, when Obama & the Dems CONTINUE the policies of Bush, it's hard to see hwo much worse it could be. (McCaines' SPOEECHES would be worse, I guess).
RIGHT NOW we have a BRIGHTLINE MOMENT with the Democrats & Obama. There are 2 actions the dems MUST take or be revealed as NO DIFFERNT THAN REPUBLICANS:
1.EXTEND UNEMAPLOYMENT BENEFITS
2.END THE BUSH TAX CUTS FOR TOP 2% (which would ADD $700B to deficit WITHOUT creating more jobs).
If they fail in these 2 BASIC acts, I think that tells us that the Democratic Party is BANKRUPT in terms of representing working people & now represents CORPORATE OLIGARCHS. The D & the R will be UNDENIABLY interchangeable.
Posted by Lydia Howell, 12/01/2010 9:45am (14 years ago)
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